Barb Reed, manager of VFW 230, carefully watches and keeps tracks of their bingo nights. She told a Star & Tribune reporter the following;
On Saturday 92 people playing bingo we take a smoke break after 4th game 23 left IN building all others outside smoking told her I watch this very closely AND WE WONDER WHERE THE PEOPLE ARE they want to smoke and its there choice once called FREEDOM IN THE GOOD OLE u s a
Tuesday, March 25, 2008
Can We Post: Mark's Response to Sabins Ticketed
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Benjamin
To: Terry Horridge
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 11:00 AM
Subject: RE: Sabins Ticketed
Hi Terri --Bring it on! I'll make contact with the city attorney on Monday so we can expedite the process.Now do what Tom Marianaro did at Tank's Tavern in Babbitt, laminate your ticket or frame it, and post it proudly on the wall.One other thing. Stay in touch in case you are visited by a health inspector. I want to know if that happens right away.As I promised, this will be free of charge.-- Mark Benjamin
From: thorridge@fnbcnet.comTo: markbenjamin@msn.comCC: sheiladk@comcast.netSubject: Sabins TicketedDate: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 21:46:44 -0500
Hello Mark,
My husband Mike just got a ticket. Believe it or not, one of our competitors down the street (Jims Sportsclub) called in the complaint. It was not even one of our customers. As a matter of fact, we have never gotten a complaint from a customer. Even the non-smokers that come to our bar support us. I guess they were pissed we had all of ten people in the bar, and we have a band. Anyway, Mike is the only one that got a ticket. The court date is Apr 14th. Its too bad the people that should be supporting us, are not. Sheila, go ahead and post.
Thanks,
Terri Horridge
Sabins Bar
2 W. Lake St.
Chisholm, MN 55719
218-254-2318
thorridge@fnbcnet.com
From: Mark Benjamin
To: Terry Horridge
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 11:00 AM
Subject: RE: Sabins Ticketed
Hi Terri --Bring it on! I'll make contact with the city attorney on Monday so we can expedite the process.Now do what Tom Marianaro did at Tank's Tavern in Babbitt, laminate your ticket or frame it, and post it proudly on the wall.One other thing. Stay in touch in case you are visited by a health inspector. I want to know if that happens right away.As I promised, this will be free of charge.-- Mark Benjamin
From: thorridge@fnbcnet.comTo: markbenjamin@msn.comCC: sheiladk@comcast.netSubject: Sabins TicketedDate: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 21:46:44 -0500
Hello Mark,
My husband Mike just got a ticket. Believe it or not, one of our competitors down the street (Jims Sportsclub) called in the complaint. It was not even one of our customers. As a matter of fact, we have never gotten a complaint from a customer. Even the non-smokers that come to our bar support us. I guess they were pissed we had all of ten people in the bar, and we have a band. Anyway, Mike is the only one that got a ticket. The court date is Apr 14th. Its too bad the people that should be supporting us, are not. Sheila, go ahead and post.
Thanks,
Terri Horridge
Sabins Bar
2 W. Lake St.
Chisholm, MN 55719
218-254-2318
thorridge@fnbcnet.com
Can You Post: PBS Series
Hey Greg - Can we post. It's pretty much the same message that Mark has been stating. Should be an informative series.
Sheila
PBS: New show ....
http://www.post- gazette.com/ pg/08083/ 866747-42. stm
(PBS.org TV schedules: http://www.pbs. org Title: Unnatural Causes)
Eat right, exercise, don't smoke, inherit good genes and, conventional wisdom dictates, you gain the best measure of protection against illness.
Not so fast, argues a new PBS series.
"Unnatural Causes: Is Inequality Making Us Sick?," airing on four consecutive Thursdays beginning this week, explores the idea that work, race, economic status and neighborhood conditions may affect a person's health as much or more than habits or genetics.
Looking at communities in several states including Pennsylvania , the series examines why America ranks as the world's wealthiest nation and yet is 30th in life expectancy and 31st in infant mortality.
Among the intriguing questions "Unnatural Causes" probes: Why do poor Mexican immigrants see their health erode the longer they stay in America ? Why do poor smokers develop lung cancer more often than rich smokers? Why are some black and American Indian populations less likely to reach 65 than people from Bangladesh or Ghana ?
Improved housing, higher wages and more control on the job foster health as much as quitting smoking or eating well, according to a Harvard University epidemiologist quoted in the series. In other words, social policy may be crucial to a citizenry's physical well-being.
The first episode, airing 10 p.m. Thursday on WQED and titled "In Sickness and in Wealth," looks at the link between health and wealth through the lives of Louisville, Ky., residents, including a CEO, a lab supervisor, a janitor and a welfare mother.
PBS Description: Episode title: In Sickness And In Wealth
Episode description: This is a story about health, but it's not about doctors or drugs. Set mostly in Louisville , Kentucky , it's a detective story out to solve the mystery of what's stalking and killing so many Americans before their time. The program uncovers the connections between healthy bodies and healthy bank accounts - and why residents of so many other nations, including many poorer countries, live longer and healthier lives. Solutions, evidence suggests, may lie not in more pills but in more equality.
Episode guide: The connections between healthy bodies and healthy bank accounts are uncovered.
Sheila
PBS: New show ....
http://www.post- gazette.com/ pg/08083/ 866747-42. stm
(PBS.org TV schedules: http://www.pbs. org Title: Unnatural Causes)
Eat right, exercise, don't smoke, inherit good genes and, conventional wisdom dictates, you gain the best measure of protection against illness.
Not so fast, argues a new PBS series.
"Unnatural Causes: Is Inequality Making Us Sick?," airing on four consecutive Thursdays beginning this week, explores the idea that work, race, economic status and neighborhood conditions may affect a person's health as much or more than habits or genetics.
Looking at communities in several states including Pennsylvania , the series examines why America ranks as the world's wealthiest nation and yet is 30th in life expectancy and 31st in infant mortality.
Among the intriguing questions "Unnatural Causes" probes: Why do poor Mexican immigrants see their health erode the longer they stay in America ? Why do poor smokers develop lung cancer more often than rich smokers? Why are some black and American Indian populations less likely to reach 65 than people from Bangladesh or Ghana ?
Improved housing, higher wages and more control on the job foster health as much as quitting smoking or eating well, according to a Harvard University epidemiologist quoted in the series. In other words, social policy may be crucial to a citizenry's physical well-being.
The first episode, airing 10 p.m. Thursday on WQED and titled "In Sickness and in Wealth," looks at the link between health and wealth through the lives of Louisville, Ky., residents, including a CEO, a lab supervisor, a janitor and a welfare mother.
PBS Description: Episode title: In Sickness And In Wealth
Episode description: This is a story about health, but it's not about doctors or drugs. Set mostly in Louisville , Kentucky , it's a detective story out to solve the mystery of what's stalking and killing so many Americans before their time. The program uncovers the connections between healthy bodies and healthy bank accounts - and why residents of so many other nations, including many poorer countries, live longer and healthier lives. Solutions, evidence suggests, may lie not in more pills but in more equality.
Episode guide: The connections between healthy bodies and healthy bank accounts are uncovered.
Subject: E-mail exchange with State Sen. Kathy Sheran
To: Sheila Kromer
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 5:35 PM
Subject: E-mail exchange with State Sen. Kathy Sheran
Sheila,
Thought you might like to see another example of what we're up against. Following is an email I sent to state senator Kathy Sheran (among others) followed by her response. Feel free to put this up at freedomtoact.com if you like. (I would prefer that my e-mail address not be posted)
Dear Senator,I understand amendments have been proposed for the FTBA and I think it is absolutely imperative that the smoking ban be relaxed if not repealed altogether.The purpose of this ban was supposedly to protect people from the affects of SHS, a premise that is based on some extremely questionable (to say the least) "science".Supposing it is actually "dangerous", the unintended consequences of this paternalistic legislation seems to be far more harmful. Hospitality venues across the state are cutting the hours of and laying off the workers this law is supposed to be helping. Seems to me that canceling the health insurance and calling the kids home from college so you can afford to put some food on the table is an extremely high price to pay for some dubious protection that the vast majority of these employees and many, now former employees, didn't want in the first place.I would certainly appreciate a response with your vie ws on this matter.
Regards,
(My name and address)
And here is her response:
The scientific community has come to agreement on the dangers of second hand smoke...there are efforts by the tobacco companies to confuse the public with bias research but those studies have been examined and found to be flawed.
The public has been surveyed statewide...76% are very supportive of this legislation that protects the rights of smokers to smoke...and protects the non smoker from the hazards of anothers choice.I do not know of ammendments...but will not support any action to weaken this law...only to strenghten it if necessary. There cannot be a justification for allowing a public health hazard to continue....
(There was no opening or closing in her response. It began and ended just as shown).
This is the sort of blind faith we will be dealing with in trying to amend or, better yet, repeal this ridiculous legislation. Her first two paragraphs are the standard, recycled dogma of anti-tobacco with no basis in fact whatsoever.
Regards
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 5:35 PM
Subject: E-mail exchange with State Sen. Kathy Sheran
Sheila,
Thought you might like to see another example of what we're up against. Following is an email I sent to state senator Kathy Sheran (among others) followed by her response. Feel free to put this up at freedomtoact.com if you like. (I would prefer that my e-mail address not be posted)
Dear Senator,I understand amendments have been proposed for the FTBA and I think it is absolutely imperative that the smoking ban be relaxed if not repealed altogether.The purpose of this ban was supposedly to protect people from the affects of SHS, a premise that is based on some extremely questionable (to say the least) "science".Supposing it is actually "dangerous", the unintended consequences of this paternalistic legislation seems to be far more harmful. Hospitality venues across the state are cutting the hours of and laying off the workers this law is supposed to be helping. Seems to me that canceling the health insurance and calling the kids home from college so you can afford to put some food on the table is an extremely high price to pay for some dubious protection that the vast majority of these employees and many, now former employees, didn't want in the first place.I would certainly appreciate a response with your vie ws on this matter.
Regards,
(My name and address)
And here is her response:
The scientific community has come to agreement on the dangers of second hand smoke...there are efforts by the tobacco companies to confuse the public with bias research but those studies have been examined and found to be flawed.
The public has been surveyed statewide...76% are very supportive of this legislation that protects the rights of smokers to smoke...and protects the non smoker from the hazards of anothers choice.I do not know of ammendments...but will not support any action to weaken this law...only to strenghten it if necessary. There cannot be a justification for allowing a public health hazard to continue....
(There was no opening or closing in her response. It began and ended just as shown).
This is the sort of blind faith we will be dealing with in trying to amend or, better yet, repeal this ridiculous legislation. Her first two paragraphs are the standard, recycled dogma of anti-tobacco with no basis in fact whatsoever.
Regards
Monday, March 24, 2008
email to Shiela and here response
Pat - Thanks for your e-mail and offer of help. A couple of things that could help:
1) e-mail your legislators (they really do look at their mail from their own constituients)
2) encourage other people to also e-mail their legislators
3) Spread the word about the www.freedomtoact.com website
4) Do you have a story or know of anyone with a story, that would be willing to write it up and e-mail it to me so that we can post it on the website. If you have read some of the stories on the website, you get an idea of what we are looking for.
Thanks so much. I will add you to my e-mail list for updates, if you prefer not to be added let me know. BTW, which e-mail address should I use?
Sheila
----- Original Message -----
From:
To: sheiladk@comcast.net
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 2:27 AM
Subject: Thanks. I'm just trying to help
Hey Sheila,
I've been following the Freedom to Act website for several months and have been aggressively fighting here in Southern Minnesota. I'm retired form the Army and work part-time as a bartender. I've physically seen and heard the stories of the small town bars. This whole situation is bullshit. If you can think of ANYTHING I can do to help the cause, please don't hessitate to ask.
Pat Colby
Windom, MN
(507) 831-1462
1) e-mail your legislators (they really do look at their mail from their own constituients)
2) encourage other people to also e-mail their legislators
3) Spread the word about the www.freedomtoact.com website
4) Do you have a story or know of anyone with a story, that would be willing to write it up and e-mail it to me so that we can post it on the website. If you have read some of the stories on the website, you get an idea of what we are looking for.
Thanks so much. I will add you to my e-mail list for updates, if you prefer not to be added let me know. BTW, which e-mail address should I use?
Sheila
----- Original Message -----
From:
To: sheiladk@comcast.net
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 2:27 AM
Subject: Thanks. I'm just trying to help
Hey Sheila,
I've been following the Freedom to Act website for several months and have been aggressively fighting here in Southern Minnesota. I'm retired form the Army and work part-time as a bartender. I've physically seen and heard the stories of the small town bars. This whole situation is bullshit. If you can think of ANYTHING I can do to help the cause, please don't hessitate to ask.
Pat Colby
Windom, MN
(507) 831-1462
Smoking bans don't play in Peoria
Smoking Ban Won't Play in Peoria!
March 19th’s Peoria Journal-Star ran a story that will have repercussions for smoking bans throughout the world! Illinois State Prosecutors ad-mitted that since their law “does not put any onus on the bar employee or bar owner to prohibit smoking," they could not file a formal charge against a bar that failed to discipline smoking customers.
While this ruling applies just to the Illinois law, it can't fail to be heard in their neighboring state of Iowa, in the troubled bars of nearby Ohio where health investigators have refused to order customers to stop smoking because "We can't make them stop. We're not police.", on the bar-theater stages of Minnesota where desperate taverns have resorted to staging "smoking plays" in which every smoker is a thespian, and anywhere around the world where governments have tried to indenture employees to act as Junior G-Men without badges.
Bartenders themselves can be fined for smoking on duty, and a bar can be fined if they fail to display "No Smoking" signs or if they provide fire-safety devices (ashtrays) for customers, but it has now been made crystal clear that the days of "Undercover Secret Smoking Police" in Illinois are over. And whether the state has the guts to enforce an ashtray ban that might leave them liable for fire deaths and damages seems unlikely.
The days of Illinois' smoking customers universally being grabbed by the scruff of the neck and tossed to the gutter are over. Spring Valley's Family Tavern, bartender Karla Carrington, and Peoria legal eagle Dan O'Day have fired a puff of smoke into the air that will be seen around the world! Wherever else bans may have played in the past, they flopped big time when they tried to take center stage in Peoria and they’re flopping even bigger time on the stages of bars all across Minnesota!
Michael J. McFaddenAuthor of "Dissecting Antismokers' Brains"http://www.thetruthisalie.com/
Visit & Support http://FreedomToAct.com
and the Tavern League of Minnesota!
March 19th’s Peoria Journal-Star ran a story that will have repercussions for smoking bans throughout the world! Illinois State Prosecutors ad-mitted that since their law “does not put any onus on the bar employee or bar owner to prohibit smoking," they could not file a formal charge against a bar that failed to discipline smoking customers.
While this ruling applies just to the Illinois law, it can't fail to be heard in their neighboring state of Iowa, in the troubled bars of nearby Ohio where health investigators have refused to order customers to stop smoking because "We can't make them stop. We're not police.", on the bar-theater stages of Minnesota where desperate taverns have resorted to staging "smoking plays" in which every smoker is a thespian, and anywhere around the world where governments have tried to indenture employees to act as Junior G-Men without badges.
Bartenders themselves can be fined for smoking on duty, and a bar can be fined if they fail to display "No Smoking" signs or if they provide fire-safety devices (ashtrays) for customers, but it has now been made crystal clear that the days of "Undercover Secret Smoking Police" in Illinois are over. And whether the state has the guts to enforce an ashtray ban that might leave them liable for fire deaths and damages seems unlikely.
The days of Illinois' smoking customers universally being grabbed by the scruff of the neck and tossed to the gutter are over. Spring Valley's Family Tavern, bartender Karla Carrington, and Peoria legal eagle Dan O'Day have fired a puff of smoke into the air that will be seen around the world! Wherever else bans may have played in the past, they flopped big time when they tried to take center stage in Peoria and they’re flopping even bigger time on the stages of bars all across Minnesota!
Michael J. McFaddenAuthor of "Dissecting Antismokers' Brains"http://www.thetruthisalie.com/
Visit & Support http://FreedomToAct.com
and the Tavern League of Minnesota!
email from Sabins Bar. One of our "heros".
My comments. Let's take some pages from the "lefty protester playbook". and post information in your bar or write to newspaper even if you don't want to risk a "bar smoking" night. A secret I have been holding back. Besides http://freedomtoact.com my other website is http://soliah.com I have been following the "Symbionese Liberation Army" beat since the June 1999 arrest of Kathleen Ann Soliah/Sara Jane Olson. I wouldn't mention this except for the totally bizzarre parole then return to prison of Soliah/Olson (that make the drudgereport.com) which kept me busy this weekend and derilict in my duties with http://freedomtoact.com (All voluntary, no pay, but I believe in your cause. So far my only cost is $7.20 for the domain name frredomtoact.com). Even if you don't want to risk a smoking theater inform police, the media, patrons and public that I started the "anti-Soliah efforts. Use your bar as a political forum for this. It's getting warm so if you want to take it outside and stay "legal" encourage and do it. We need areason to get people back to bars so why not protest (I tend to be conservative but I met a lot of women at protests ) If I ever get caught up on this I on the domain name
http://outdoorstage.com and would be glad to put it to us
Those cases were considered "unprosicutable." We achieved convictions. It many brave people who picked up the case who resulting in the convictions but I started the ball rolling. Tell this to police you encounter and also tell these same polic that the same person is behind http://freedomtoact.com. Ask them and their customers to disseminate this information. It's time to "ramp it up". I don't care for my sake, it's just tha the potential release of Soliah/Olson showed that that sore still "festers" and I have nothing to hide. Here is a diggers page I made for http://soliah.com http://ocrscans.homestead.com/dig1.html
From: Sheila Kromer
To: slatrial@netscape.net
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 8:16 PM
Subject: Can we Post: How Ironic
----- Original Message -----
From: Terry Horridge
To: Sheila Kromer
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 7:39 PM
Subject: How Ironic
Sheila,
We couldn't help but notice when we paid our sales tax today, that in our Internet drop down menu the www.FreedomToAct.com website was at the top, and the www.taxes.state.mn.us was pretty close to the bottom. We like whats happening here, and are glad to be a part of it. We will support theater nights 100%, ticket or no ticket. We posted the FreedomToAct website in our front window (the biggest one in town) five times with neon pink paper. To quote Mr. Mark Benjamin "Brave People are Free People". We also made copies of Marks response to our theater night threats, and posted them around the bar so our patrons know he is behind them too. Keep up the good work. Fyi, the police have not come back to our bar. We hope this is encouraging to everyone else that has been threatened.
Mike and Terri Horridge
Sabins Bar
2 W. Lake St.
Chisholm, MN 55719
218 254-2318
http://outdoorstage.com and would be glad to put it to us
Those cases were considered "unprosicutable." We achieved convictions. It many brave people who picked up the case who resulting in the convictions but I started the ball rolling. Tell this to police you encounter and also tell these same polic that the same person is behind http://freedomtoact.com. Ask them and their customers to disseminate this information. It's time to "ramp it up". I don't care for my sake, it's just tha the potential release of Soliah/Olson showed that that sore still "festers" and I have nothing to hide. Here is a diggers page I made for http://soliah.com http://ocrscans.homestead.com/dig1.html
From: Sheila Kromer
To: slatrial@netscape.net
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 8:16 PM
Subject: Can we Post: How Ironic
----- Original Message -----
From: Terry Horridge
To: Sheila Kromer
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 7:39 PM
Subject: How Ironic
Sheila,
We couldn't help but notice when we paid our sales tax today, that in our Internet drop down menu the www.FreedomToAct.com website was at the top, and the www.taxes.state.mn.us was pretty close to the bottom. We like whats happening here, and are glad to be a part of it. We will support theater nights 100%, ticket or no ticket. We posted the FreedomToAct website in our front window (the biggest one in town) five times with neon pink paper. To quote Mr. Mark Benjamin "Brave People are Free People". We also made copies of Marks response to our theater night threats, and posted them around the bar so our patrons know he is behind them too. Keep up the good work. Fyi, the police have not come back to our bar. We hope this is encouraging to everyone else that has been threatened.
Mike and Terri Horridge
Sabins Bar
2 W. Lake St.
Chisholm, MN 55719
218 254-2318
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